Woman vs Wild ([info]thebratqueen) wrote,
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Willow and Tara and gay stereotypes
Okay, as promised, here's a discussion of gay cliches and Buffy and Angel.

Before I get into it, I want to say this: THESE ARE JUST INTERPRETATIONS. I'm not saying they are my interpretations. I'm not writing this to revive the "Tara's death was the worst homophobic act on TV EVER!!!!!" debate or anything like that. I'm writing it because I was refamiliarizing myself with The Celluloid Closet and while I was reading I couldn't help but draw some comparisons to Buffy and Angel. These are some of the comparisons. You're welcome (nay, encouraged) to draw your own. =)

That being said, let's get started:



Part 1: Willow, gay in reality, not so happy symbolically

Was season 6 really the start?

The Willow/Tara arc of season 6 is, I think everybody can agree, the thing which caused the biggest hue and cry about homophobia in the Jossverse. In season 6, the two gay characters either died (Tara) or turned evil (Willow). This caused many to protest, saying that Joss had sold the girls out to the Evil!Dead!Gay stereotype (see link for more info) instead of allowing them simply to be healthy, happy lesbian lovers.

Now naturally this raises the question of whether anyone on Buffy is ever allowed to be "healthy" or, for that matter, "happy" (didn't Angel teach us our lesson there? ;) ), so honestly it can be said (and I agree) that forming some kind of protective bubble around Willow and Tara which kept their relationship from all harm would have been singling them out for special treatment because of their gay status. After all, it's not like Xander and Anya were in raptures over their broken marriage-to-be, or like Buffy and Spike thought that their relationship, such as it was, was perfect happiness for either of them. (And let's note that heterosexual Anya also went evil in response to her relationship problems.) So, IMO, Willow/Tara simply fit into the grand scheme of things, which is that that nobody on the show is allowed to be happy for long.

However, this isn't to say that those who had a problem with the way Willow and Tara were treated are totally making things up either. Because while they arguably were as unhappy as the heterosexual couples, the manner in which they were unhappy - and even the manner in which they were happy - is where the problem lies.

The other cliches

That Willow and Tara can now be added to the statistics of evil!dead!gay characters everywhere is indusputible. Tara was gay and died. Willow was gay and went evil. We can't argue that. They now add to the numbers of evil!dead!gay characters in the same way that Buffy adds to the number of strong heterosexual female characters, Angelus adds to the number of charismatic, handsome evil male characters and so on. Whether or not Joss & co did this on purpose is the thing that's up for debate.

Personally I vote no. I don't think that they purposefully killed Tara because she was gay, or made Willow evil because she was gay. I think they killed Tara and they turned Willow. But, at the same time, I think they were - or at least I hope they were - painfully unaware of the symbolism involved that they themselves used - symbolism that goes beyond the evil!dead!gay stereotype.

Culturally speaking (and here we're talking about US culture), there are certain cliches and stereotypes that surround gay characters and have surrounded them for almost all of Hollywood history. The evil!dead!gay stereotype is one of them, and saw its heyday in the 1960s and 70s.

There are, however, other cliches, and these cliches are in evidence with Willow and Tara's characters. Most notably of which is the cliche that the gay character can't be, simply, a character who happens to be gay. Intstead, the character's sexuality completely defines them and rules every moment that they are on the screen.

What did Tara contribute to the Scoobies, other than being Willow's girlfriend? Any resemblance of a personality outside of Willow was woefully hidden until season 6 when Tara, as so many doomed Buffy characters before her, suddenly became sympathetic and interesting merely because she was going to be killed off in the end.

The show itself acknowledged this in the episode about Tara's birthday - none of the Scoobies knew anything about her, other than the fact that she was Willow's girlfriend and into magic. It's worth noting, too, that the birthday episode was a rare episode that featured Tara prominently (I want to say the only episode that focused entirely on her for a main plotline but as I'm not the queen of Buffy canon I bow to someone else who can correct me) but in a storyline that was nothing but a metaphor about, again, her sexuality. (And we'll talk about those metaphors in a sec)

And what about Willow? She became gay and was suddenly cursed with Lesbian Tourette's syndrome - helplessly spouting sentences related to breasts in the most inappropriate moments because, of course, all lesbians speak like that. We could argue that this was only done to help the audience recognize that Willow's sexuality had changed now, but wouldn't the constant presense of her girlfriend, the Scoobies repeated mentions of it, and "gay now" have also done the job? Any attempts to try to gloss over Willow's new "gay" dialogue with some meta explanation are also pretty much shot to Hell by Kennedy, who apparently suffers from the same illness (although in her case it's with the word "wood" and not various forms of "breasts" but then again the season is still young).

And what about Kennedy? What is her personality? We know facts - she's a SiT, her Watcher died, she's older than the others, she comes from money. These are facts, they're not a personality. The only thing that's been done to give Kennedy any non-Big Bad related depth was to make her gay. Yes, arguably the fact that she's taking something of a leadership role with the younger SiTs adds to the depth. If more of this is shown then good. But so far it's been snippets of her leading surrounded either by her spouting off facts about herself or her doing "gay" things. What are her likes? Dislikes? Favorite hobbies? What makes her laugh? What attracts her to Willow? What, in short, defines her as a person other than "SiT who is gay and attracted to Willow" just as for years Tara was defined as "Witch who is gay and attracted to Willow". In short, nothing. Kennedy and Tara fall into the same cliche Hollywood has used for years - gay characters who are defined by being gay. And Willow, a main character, has stumbled along with them. When she turned into a lesbian Willow turned into a character who was also defined by her sexuality. Except, of course, for when she was defined by her magic.

And there's those pesky metaphors. Watch the cliches surrounding Willow now turn into a mobeius strip.

Magic as Metaphor

Back on the WB Joss was not allowed to show Willow and Tara actually doing gay things. It wasn't until season 5 that a wisely unhyped kiss was allowed to sneak in. Until then, they were stuck with metaphor, a grand Buffyverse tradition. The metaphor chosen? Magic.

Okay fine. It makes sense, right? Willow and Tara "do spells" together - wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We all get what that means, right? Hell, even Xander got what it meant. And as a metaphor it worked - their relationship was magical, they were more powerful together than apart, sparks fly when ever they're near each other - and so on and so forth. Metaphorically it's fine. The metaphor even worked well in Tara's birthday episode, when magic and demon heritage substituted for homosexuality in Tara's dealings with her family. So far so good.

Then came season 6.

Season 6, the season that caused the hue and cry about Willow and Tara turning into homophobic cliches. The season in which not only did Tara die but Willow turned evil - because of her magic.

The lack of Standards and Practices on UPN gave way to a new world of hot Buffy on Spike and Willow on Tara action. Our favorite witches were allowed to nest together and to be as blatent sexually (albeit not as frequently) as Buffy and Spike did. No more magic metaphor was needed. The girls were just gay. And, in theory, this is okay too.

In practice though I think the folks at ME didn't step out of the meta-level enough to realize what they were doing. Or, again I hope that's what happened. I think ME realized that they didn't need magic for the old metaphor anymore and therefore retrofitted it into a new one. I don't think they realized that in spite of the channel change, the two metaphors were actually still connected. They couldn't ask their audience to read between the lines on the WB and then act all surprised when the audience kept reading there on UPN.

Especially since the magic as gay love metaphor was still there.

Right up until Once More With Feeling, a UPN episode, the old metaphor is still with us. Tara sings of her love for Willow with "I'm Under Your Spell". Which on a superficial level shows us simply that - wink, wink, nudge, nudge - the metaphor hasn't gone anywhere. But on a deeper level is actually kind of disturbing.

Because "I'm Under Your Spell" - prettily sung though it was - is actually not that healthy a song. Tara is singing about her co-dependance on Willow. She has no definition outside of what Willow gives her - a romantic concept in the "Two can become one" ideal of couples, but a troubling one for a character who, accurately enough, has no definition outside of Willow. It's also a song of foreshadowing - Tara is, in fact, under Willow's spell - a spell of forgetting, which is the only reason why they're together for the song.

So, much though a quick scan suggests that this is a happy, romantic song, actually it's not and not on any possible angle for the Willow/Tara relationship. This then strikes the first blow against the magic as happy gay love metaphor. Joss himself uses the metaphor to show us that their relationship isn't happy, nor is it healthy, although we can all still agree that it's gay.

From this blow, we plunge headlong (with a Tabula Rasa break) into magic's new metaphor - drug addiction. Gone is the happy gay metaphor. Now there's a new metaphor, and a not exactly hidden one either. Willow's use of magic is inappropriate, it's unhealthy, she uses magic to escape her responsibilities, her use of magic puts a minor in danger.

Which, as a metaphor for drug addiction, is at least in the neighborhood of apt. But the metaphor for gay love was only two episodes prior. Was Tabula Rasa supposed to symbolically cue us in that we were supposed to abandon the old metaphor for the new? Did ME think enough of its audience was actually aware that UPN had no S&P division to make the connection on their own?

Can we really say that those who felt betrayed by Willow's season 6 arc as a slap in the face to gay fans were that off in their interpretations? Especially when Willow's use of magic was the thing that ultimately brought her to the dark side? Yes, her darkest moments were with the good goal of helping her friends (attacking Glory, bringing Buffy back from the dead, getting revenge for Tara, etc) but honestly does it contradict the theory when the thing that kick-started Willow on the black-eyed Eeeeeevil magic was Glory's attack on Tara, her girlfriend? And when Willow's ultimate descent into Eeeeeevil, period, was in response to Tara's death?

What to say, then, to the show's contention that the only way Willow can be "healthy" or trustworthy is if she completely and totally abandons magic? Again - as drug metaphor, fine. But that spector of the old metaphor is still there.

Now, granted, Tara herself managed to keep using magic in a healthy manner and managed to, other than the bullet through her chest, be a lesbian in a healthy manner as well. I'm not saying otherwise. But the show itself never really explained how magic was bad and horrible for Willow yet good for Tara. Even in the intended metaphor of magic as addiction this never really made sense. Were they trying to show Tara as the responsible, social drinker and Willow as the addict? Were they attempting something else? It's never explained on the show - at least, not in season 6.

In season 7 we suddenly get explanations all over the place which contradict what we were told before - magic isn't an addiction, it's not a matter of Willow going cold turkey. She can use magic, just "good" magic. Thus we finally understand why Willow's s6 magic was bad while Tara's was good. Okay - but this is after the fact. This is after the backlash against the s6 storyline. And, notably, this is during the same season in which Joss and Marti were entertaining the idea of giving Willow a new boyfriend - a fine nod to those who maintain that Willow is actually bisexual, but a disturbing move symbolically considering that thanks to the dead lesbian and the evil lesbian, the only goal left in this cliche hat trick was the cured lesbian - one who goes back to men again. So Kennedy, much though she has no personality outside of being gay and interested in Willow, is at least a step in the right symbolic direction. S7, at least, starts to show that ME finally picked up on the messages they were sending - however inadvertently - and started to correct them.

Final thoughts

So what do we get out of all this? We get that for all that Buffy had multiple canonical gay characters, and for all the "I'm not sleeping with Spike, but I'm starting to suspect that you are" type slash-friendly jokes, the show itself ironically - and, again I strongly suspect, inadvertently - made use of homophobic stereotypes and cliches that, in s6 especially, undermined all the gay-positive things they were trying to do, thus resulting in fans who felt that they - and Willow and Tara - had been betrayed. In s7, though, we see hints that ME may have clued in to what they were doing, and are now trying to rectify it.

Would fans have felt as betrayed if not for the abuse of the magic metaphor? Or if Willow and Tara had been defined outside of their sexuality (literally or metaphorically)? Or if the only other canonical gay character, Larry, hadn't been summarized in the two bullet points of 1) Gay and 2) Dead?

Basically what I'm saying is that while I don't think ME meant to destroy their gay characters because they were gay, I do think they managed to do it using the same exact tools as those who did destroy gay characters simply for being homosexual. Hence, I'm thinking, why there was such a fuss. Seeing Red, with the actual death and turn to evil, was merely the straw that - appropriately enough - broke the "metaphor" camel's back.

Of course the interesting flip side to this is that for all that Buffy, the show with the gay characters, tears them down, Angel, the show without them, actually supports them, and does so by flying in the face of the same cliches (or at least the same school of cliches) that Buffy bought into.

But I'll get into that in another essay. =)



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[info]anna_dreya
2003-01-29 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Well, gee, hint at something interesting and make me wait. :-p

Seriously, though, I found all of this very interesting, mainly because none of it ever occurred to me.
Now that I've happily devoured some Brain Food, I must say, "Please, sir, I want some more."

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-29 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Well I'm evil like that ;)

And I'll [knock on wood] probably get to the Angel discussion tomorrow. Most likely after I finish up writing about tonight's episode.

Can you tell I'm anticipating having a lot of free time at work? ;)

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[info]zortified
2003-01-29 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Willow and Tara were gay?

Ahem. I don't feel like thinking this through, so I'm going to toss it out and run. But -- how is Buffy defined, except through a) being the Slayer and b) her sexuality? Could it be that Buffy is as two-dimensional as Gay!Willow is, and that it's a failure of the show to give us more developed characters?

I do realise that we have had Buffyness outside Slayer and Sex -- but I'm wondering if she is really that much more developed, or if the show just reduces everybody to one or two easily handled traits - because, after all, this is tv.

I really want to see Xander swap his apple for Willow's soda again. They were cute back then.

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-29 04:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm at a disadvantage here because I'm not the Amazing Buffy canon girl but just off of the top of my head - she was a good sister, she tried to be a good daughter, she liked clothes and hanging out with her friends, she wasn't a good student, she blamed herself for her parents divorce, she was into slightly naughty things like shoplifting even before she became the Slayer, she sticks up for her friends and the underdog but denies and runs away from her own problems - all that off of the top of my head without mentioning the fact that she's straight. So I'd say yeah, Buffy has a personality outside of "Slayer" and "Sleeps with boys".

OTOH, from season 4 onward, IMO, Buffy did become far more focused on her relationships with boys (as I was talking about in Kita's thread). Seasons 1-3 had her in the relationship with Angel, yes, but she still had her own things. She was in a relationship with Angel but, even though they were soulmates, she wasn't defined by it (not sure the same can be said of Angel in reverse though ;) ). It was only in season 4 that we get a Buffy who's very relationship focused in her plotlines (not exclusively, just saying "very").

Considering that season 4 also brought us gay Willow, non-personality Tara and the start of Xander and Anya's inability to be in a scene unless they were attached at the hip it's entirely possible that the problem here does lie with a change in the show's direction which - you knew this was coming - may be due to Marti taking over. So it very well could be that all the characters lost depth starting in season 4 and Willow and Tara just happened to be along for the ride.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-31 03:49 am UTC (link)
I completely agree.
during season 4 all main characters seemed to loose their personality (paradoxically to the plot, which was having them *SEARCH* for their own identity), and from season 5 onwards they seemed to become little more then their own stereotypes an a shell from their former self;

Giles became the 'magic shop owner' (but did not date, have a past, future or any live in general), Xander was reduced to of bad sex-jokes with Anya, clumsiness and occasionally some carpentry town in, and Buffy became an overworked closed-off-Slaying-focussed with intemacy issues - and the storyline kept repeating itself in the following seasons.

So it is not surprising that the same happened to Willow.

About the 'magic addition', it seems that while being brilliand with metaphores, the writers seem to be incapable of using the obvious without forcing it.

Compare for instance the Xander/Cordelia relation with Xander/Anya; both are shown as physical-based, but the first was done in methaphores and subtilety, and because of that even showed emotion where it was impossible. The latter was done obvious, but looked weird, any shown intimacy seemed out-of place and accidental.
The same about Buffy/Riley season 4 vs Buffy/Riley season 5.

Further, it was S6, given the many inconsistencies there it can hardly be used as canon proove.
Yes, the Magic0as-drugs was badly chosen - but that is relatively SMALL to the suggestion that Willow could have been vonerable to druggs then AT ALL.
She had more friends, doing better at school, more power, more respect and a more convicted lover then ever before, there was absolutely NO REASON for her to flee ralety in the false savety of drugs.
Although I agree, in stead of the magic they could have gone for the thraditional cleche of having her lost to sience. (After all, she claimed to be able to raise the dead in 'Some Assambly Required'so they could easely have used that to revive Buffy.)


Finally; about the girls Willow dated; yet Tara had little personallety of her own, but neither had Oz. It seemed that Willow loved people who's extire world revolves around her.

The same could be said about Kennedy. Exept Kennedy was totally different tyhen her previous loveinterest, she was powerhungry and cared mostly for Willow because of her power.
She even somewaht resembled old Cordelia, of which Willow hated and would never want a relationship with.

(Unless one states that Cordelia started based on who Buffy used to be, and later followed Buffy's devellopment, in which case ine could argue that Kennedy with her personalety and slayerness was a methaphore for WILLOW being in love with BUFFY! :-P )



MBB

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[info]kita0610
2003-01-29 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Gotta disagree on the metaphor point, babe. Not that the metaphor sucked, mind you, cause woah, it did. But I somehow managed to follow that Willow being 'addicted'(pheh) to majic was not a metaphor for gay being bad. Mainly, what it said to me was that Marti Noxon was on crack. I really don't see most BtVS viewers, especially the ones who watch seriously enough to look for metaphors and subtext, as being unintelligent enough to make the leap you say is required.

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-29 04:56 pm UTC (link)
I'm there with you, but at the same time I was able to see that Willow going evil and Tara dying wasn't a homophobic plot on Joss's part either. What I'm suggesting is that for those who are looking at this through the lens of gay culture as it's been represented by Hollywood, they wouldn't be on magic crack themselves to point out that ME used the exact same thing that once talked about homosexuality to now talk about something nasty and evil that corrupts Willow and makes her a danger to all around her. That's got a meaning, whether it's intended to or not.

Lemme put it this way - why not pick something besides magic as a metaphor? We're not lacking for fantasy elements in the Buffyverse. Why pick the same thing as the thing which already has symbolic meaning - and do so without doing anything textually to say we've abandoned one meaning for another?

If nothing else, why keep the magic as gay sex metaphor? If Joss himself hadn't included it in OMWF I'd be right there with you on there being a textual, clear-cut break from one metaphor to another, but since the big cheese himself decided to literally mix metaphors to suit his purpose, I don't think they can claim to have handled their subtext well.

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[info]rashaka
2003-01-29 08:38 pm UTC (link)
You make some very excelent points here.

The only thing I find that really ned to be mentioned here-- and perhaps is a flaw in your reasoning-- is that Willow's abuse of magic/ power-addiction arc extends all the way back to season 2, long before she even met her bi vampire self. What's integral to Willow's character is what Anya pointed out in directly in Smashed--that she's a control-addict, and when she goes bad, she goes "KA-BAM" bad.

Willow's addiction to power begins with her willingness (even eagerness) to hack into files she has no business seeing on the internet-- information officially protected by government services. She does this for FUN. Before she found magic, she had technology. If Willow had spend years perfecting an evil "mad scientist laser beam" instead of spells, she'd have used that just as readily to destroy the world as magic. Something Blue is a great example of this-- her irresponsibility in using whatever power she has (this time, its magic) puts the people around her in danger. Then, when Tara comes along, magic becomes a metaphor for lesbianism/sex, like you said. But Willow's arc of power abuse remains consistant for six years-- all through seasons four and five and even the beginning of six, it was Willow's power need, not her magic need, that was her problem. Even in Bargaining-- she uses her mental power to guide (aka control) the other Scoobies. And she takes it upon herself to kill the fawn--instead of asking Tara to help. And she is "the leader" in Buffy's place--- just like when she was trying out The Slayer's lines in the season 2 opening scene from When She Was Bad.

Where it really went wrong was Wrecked. In that, Willow's character arc went from "power addicts and corrupts" (which blends nicely with the lure or the other monsters on the show, like vampirism, vengeance demons, evil ascending mayors, etc) to "magic is addictive". Then suddenly it's not Willow The Person's problem, it's Willow The Gay Witch's problem.

And we have Marti Noxon to thank for that lovely fuckup. Because that's when the lines between magic-is-bad and magic-is-gay begin to blur in the eyes of the audience. And it isn't until Lessons, and Giles' comments, that some of that begins to be righted again.

I think that this argument (symbolism of characters vs. symbolism of sexual seterotypes) will continue to be an issue as long as "being gay" is an issue-- because right now when het characters mess up or go evil out of love, nobody says it's because they're het. They say it's because of the character is flawed. And when homosexuality is no longer a social issue that needs to be constantly debated, the same thing will be said of them. As it is, you can't have a "realistic gay couple" without having them have problems, and sometimes having them be less than nice-- because real gay couples do have problems, and some real gay people AREN'T nice. Willow and Tara lasted a long time for a BTVS pairing-- the only one close was Xander/Anya. And they both got the Ax in season 6. Because Joss makes all his characters miserable. And season six was all about Human Evil-- the Nerds, Willow's power abuse, Buffy's domestic abuse--even Spike's attempted rape of Buffy was a "human evil", as it was done in human-face, and for a human reason, and guilt was felt afterwards, adn teh fact that the act wasn't completed was a source of confusion to Spike's sense of identity as demon or human. Of the Scoobies, the most likely to turn evil was always Buffy, Willow, or Giles. Buffy has done it on small one-ep occasions, and Giles was being written out-- that left Willow, who was sitting on a nice, cushy, long-developed character arc of power-abuse personality that was just waiting to be made into a human-based evil. Willow/Tara got caught up in that. It's sad, but that's how stories go. And if homosexuality wasn't such a hot topic in out society-- nobody would blink an eye. But it is. And hopefully at some later point in human life we'll see the day when both het and gay characters can cheerfully go as evil as they like, and everyone will assume it's because they're jsut mean people, and not because of their sexual preference.

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-29 09:32 pm UTC (link)
It reminds me of how some black actors are known to complain that it's hard for them to get the juicy roles in movies because nobody wants to cast a black actor as the villian. Villians are always known as being far more interesting than the hero, but fear of being called racist often keeps black actors out of the part.

I think it's a similar situation with gay characters right now, esp because we're, IMO, right at the cusp between the old stereotypes as the only way and a place where many in the audience weren't even alive for the old stereotypes and truly do only see gay characters as gay characters, with no real agenda attached.

Agreed on the Willow power issues thing, and it drives me nuts that they completely ignored and abandoned that for the addiction storyline, esp because the power issues were the real problem. If you want to do an addiction story arc correctly, you need to address the cause of the addiction, not just turn it into some "Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?" style After School Special. By making magic into an addiction they completely took the blame and responsibility off of Willow and made it the magic's fault. It was a total cop-out, and I often wished that Tim Minear had at least sat in on some story sessions to help remind the gang of what addiction is really like and how it should be treated.

But at least in season 7 we're seeing progress away from s6, so hopefully that trend will continue.

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[info]rashaka
2003-01-29 09:38 pm UTC (link)
It was a total cop-out, and I often wished that Tim Minear had at least sat in on some story sessions to help remind the gang of what addiction is really like and how it should be treated.

Hm... that's an interesting point. I wonder how much research the writer DID do into the pyschological behavior of addicts while writing Willow's part--- or did they do any? If they didn't, its easy to see how they could write crack!whore!Willow so poorly. Also, it might explain the one point of weirdness in Never Leave Me that said Spike was "addicted" to human blood. I was all, HUH? That's way out from nowhere. Thankfully, it was quickly dropped.

But at least in season 7 we're seeing progress away from s6, so hopefully that trend will continue.

I'm all kinds of lovin' season seven. And the UPN trailer for next week (I'm otherwise unspoiled) looks to have some juicy Willow scenes.

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[info]stakebait
2003-01-30 08:27 am UTC (link)
Ooh, you make an excellent point about the fact that magic explicitly equaled lesbianism for so long that when magic suddenly equalled corrupting influence, those who see that if a=b and b=c than a=c are not on crack. And lesbianism=corrupting influence is firmly in the best homophobic tradition. I never thought of that.

I'm firmly in the "unintentional" camp, but then I'm also firmly of the view that b never should have = c at all, so it's easy for me to believe that that aspect of the magic addiction thing was as poorly thought out as every other one was.

Mer

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-30 10:09 am UTC (link)
Oh totally. I'm right there with you. I think it was a big screwup with unintentional consequences. But since not every fan is the uber-geek that we are and therefore can only analyze the show based on what they see - well as you say, if a=b and b=c then a must equal c, right? But of course really the fault lies in b - a metaphor that was so poorly constructed to begin with I don't even think ME fully knew what it meant.

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[info]kattahj
2003-01-30 11:12 am UTC (link)
One think that interests me in this whole discussion (meaning not just you but all the way back) is how it was pointed out that no couples live happily ever after on Buffy. Which is true. Except the boyfriends don't die. The only good boyfriend who died (correct me if I'm wrong) was Angel, who came back. Girlfriends can die. Boyfriends just move away.

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-01-30 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Huh. That's a good point. B/c even Oz just moved away.

OTOH - how much of that is due to the gender imbalance I wonder? B/c there are more girls on the show than guys. So is it a gender-oriented slant or is it just that more stuff happens to them because there are more of them to begin with.

Mind you, there's more guys on Angel at any given time and yet again none of the main male characters have ever gotten it in the shorts. Save Doyle, and that was due to outside circumstances.

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[info]nothingbutfic
2003-06-12 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Hey. I'm a gay male, slash writer and Buffy fan. This essay rocks, especially as someone who has serious issues with the treatment of Tara's death (I'm not exactly saying Joss didn't have the right to kill her, I'm saying the manner in which he killed her was thoughtless and presented a homophobic image.)

My main issue with the killing is the justification: the idea it had to be done in order to service the needs of the story, when Willow's own magic story arc had changed that season from 'the temptations of power' to that wacked up 'magic is a drug' shite, thereby rendering (imho) any claims to narrative integrity null and void.

As as said, this essay rocks muchly :) Mind if I link it on my LJ?

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[info]thebratqueen
2003-06-16 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Go right ahead! I'm glad you liked it =)

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[info]kribban
2006-05-14 10:31 am UTC (link)
Or if the only other canonical gay character, Larry, hadn't been summarized in the two bullet points of 1) Gay and 2) Dead?

Larry is a canonical example of homophobia=bad. Remember that he was a total jerk until he came out of the closet? When Xander made him confront his own homosexuality, he lost all the bad traits that presumably came from his self-hatred. He still dies in Graduation, but he dies heroically. :-)

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